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Banned from a public meeting
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Posted by: rayonline5555 (609)  |
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Molly .My battles with those two control freiks started 3 1/2 years ago as I have explained But I`m pretty sure this ban was an attempt by barston to gag me and prevent me from exposing him for what he is..Let me explain. I started to go back to meetings last September and I never said a word all night but that was my choice..At the October meeting I again got a frosty reception but when Sheila asked could they cut back the plastic weed blocker all around the garden so that they could plant spring bulbs like snowdrops ,daffodils,and tulips.Barston said NO because it went against the original design and would cause too much extra work. I piped up that it was proof that the original design was rubbish as I have always said,but he refused to back down... And ,wait for this, the bulbs were planted OUTSIDE the garden on the grassy patch behind the telephone booth,as you will see for yourselves very soon...So much for it being a community garden I don`t think...I went to the November meeting and in any other business I stood up and requested that we ask our three local councillors to help us to erect welcome signs at the three approaches to the village because we are the only area without one now and I wanted our village to be recognised as it deserves to be......He immediately objected ,saying the AShton and Bryn Forum would refuse it as they have done before... I asked for a seconder and believe it or not I got one...It was Sheila . I then forcrd a vote . there were only eight present we got three votes for, one abstained ,and three voted against...you don`t have to ask who they were.But I`ll tell you anyway...Mr.and Mrs. Barston and our own Andrede?David. That created a tied vote and Barston tried to say that`s it then... But I pointed out,very forcefully that the chairman had to have the casting vote. and guess what? Robert, my next door neighbour voted in favour to win us the vote. that meant that Barston was instructed to write. and finally we come to the meeting last week because Dec. and Jan. were postponed. The meeting started with me gagged of course. and when it came to the part of the letter writing that`s when the bombshell landed. he stated that he hadn`t written the letter as instructed because he had discovered that my vote had to be disqualified because the rules said that only paid up members were allowed to vote on any matter.And therefore the vote was back to a tie and therefore annulled.they are claiming that at the last general meeting that an annual subscription should be paid by anyone who wanted to be a member and vote...I don`t believe that and they are going to have to prove it by showing me at least three sets of minutes from three different members....So that`s why he didn`t want me at that meeting!!!And that`s why they have never had one single new member at those meeting for TWO years. So now can you see what kind of man I am up against. But all he`s done is to strenghten my resolve to see him off and that`s why I need your support more than ever.He has only lived in Stubshie 7 years... I have been here 73 years and still counting.... who would you trust most to do what`s right for our heritage...? |
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Posted by: dear ned (361) |
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Ray said :
"At the October meeting I again got a frosty reception but when Sheila asked could they cut back the plastic weed blocker all around the garden so that they could plant spring bulbs like snowdrops ,daffodils,and tulips.Barston said NO because it went against the original design and would cause too much extra work."
[Lies and wrong
Ray said:
"He immediately objected ,saying the AShton and Bryn Forum would refuse it as they have done before"
No he didnt as it is not an ABTF decision. Wrong again.
Ray said:
Ray said:
"I went to the November meeting and in any other business I stood up "
no you didnt
Ray said:
"I piped up that it was proof that the original design was rubbish"
proof that what was rubbish?
Ray said:
"And ,wait for this, the bulbs were planted OUTSIDE the garden on the grassy patch behind the telephone booth,as you will see for yourselves very soon"
The daffodill bulbs that we got from the ABTF were not for the Heritage Garden. Wrong again.
Ray said:
"I asked for a seconder and believe it or not I got one...It was Sheila ."
Very, very untrue
Ray said:
"And therefore the vote was back to a tie and therefore annulled."
The vote wasnt anulled, the vote was passed 3-2
Ray said:
"they are claiming that at the last general meeting that an annual subscription should be paid by anyone who wanted to be a member and vote...I don`t believe that and they are going to have to prove it by showing me at least three sets of minutes from three different members"
It is true that only members can vote. Just like any other group.
Ray said:
"So that`s why he didn`t want me at that meeting!!!"
The Group decided unanimously to ban Ray from our Group and our meetings for reasons given below
1. Without any discussion within the group, Ray decided to contact the Gerard Estate and challenge them of their ownership of the land( He did it while we were on holiday!) on which the Stubshaw Cross Heritage Garden stands. This was completly against how our group works.
I have to add: At this point we decided to elect certain members to do certain jobs, of course with consent. Two people wanted to be Project Manager. Ray and Another. We had a secret vote. I know I should not say but
No-one voted for Ray.
2. Since that moment Ray has taken action to desrupte the group and its members. He has contacted our Heritage Lottery Fund contact, Rebecca Mason to try and stop funding for the Heritage Garden.
3. Obviously we needed planning permission. Ray objected and contacted the relevent authourities. We checked it out. We got it.
If you are a member of a community group or a tenants and residents association then you will realise how hard it is to keep the group together.
What kind of residents group with any integrity would tolerate the constant slating of the group and its members on a public forum such as this.
What kind of residents group with any integrity would tolerate ANYONE ACTIVELY OPPOSING THE GROUP?
ps.. NO-ONE VOTED FOR RAY
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| Posted by: sheilab (10) |
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I would like to say that my husband and I endorse everything stated in the above posts by Dear Ned. To add to this I would like to state that I have been subject to Rays foul mouthed abuse on two occasions. I am 71 myself and I hope I am able to ignore the rantings of a fool, but if Ray starts to threaten with legal action then I may just change my mind and call on the witnesses that were there.
I also think that the way he treated his so-called friend last tuesday was disgusting. No friend puts another in a position like he did.
I am most amazed that he is suprised to be banned from the group. Does he deny emailing the heritage lottery fund to try and stop the groups funding? Does he deny contacting the Gerard Estate? Thank goodness they ignored him!
His face will clog!!
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| Posted by: rayonline5555 (609) |
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sheila. Dear ned being your son I wouldn`t expect anything less of any mother ,no matter what he had done. I have only,at this stage, threatened to sue your son. not the full group. Now ,you have my permission to give everybody a clue as to exactly what foul-mouthed words to a lady, and it what context,and when,and where......Christine my so called friend has been good friends for many years but your david says the vote to bann me was unanymous so why did she take that decision rather than abstain from voting as a true friend would have done? I did not put her in any position that she hadn`t already put herself in. She has the option now of coming to me and I will listen to her . so tell her that. I e-mailed the Heritage lottery to try and suspend...not stop. the funding until an investigation had been carried out. That has still to come,believe me..I contacted the Gerard solicitor for the first time in 2006..You didn`t know that did you?....I asked him did the estate own the land on which the garden stood,and I sent a map...HE replied a few days later and stated `NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE`.....What do you make of that? When Barston wrote to him he told him that hGerard owned the land and`can we please lease it from you` His reply was yes but we will have to register an owners first and YOU will have to bear the costs(Between Ģ600 and Ģ1000) and you set of idiots agreed....Why am I,at my age,still refusing to go away? Because you lot, especially Barston have destroyed my dream. Don`t think of me as arrogant for saying that because it could have been of benefit to many other people with connections with Stubshaw Cross. Heres why.....I have a lovely grandson aged nearly three,and another one due in June...and I was intending to take them into that garden in a few years time and showing them plaques in memory of their great,great grandad,Frederick Wellington Davies who first came to live here in 1910 with 8 kids and two more wer born in East St..No7....I would then have shown them a plaque of their great grandad who was a war hero in 1914-17 and who won a MM for gallantry and who went on to father 10 children,,all of us born in Stubshaw Cross. And you couldn`t be bothered to mention the name Davies in your little booklet...Which as yet I have never critized publicly but I will if you want me to...And as for the future? Well despite my obsession with the past I think the future is even more important because this garden would have been all our legacies for those still to come and be a living ,growing , information centre for all our family trees...That`s what you and your friends are destroying and that`s why I have to oppose you for the rest of my life...And when I die. guess where my ashes will be scattered....Because that`s where I belong....Will Barston deny me that? I reckon he`ll try. because that`s the kind of control freak he is. I know you won`t answer this because you can`t with any semblence of decency.... |
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| Posted by: dear ned (361) |
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Ray said: "Now ,you have my permission to give everybody a clue as to exactly what foul-mouthed words to a lady, and it what context,and when,and where"
How kind of Ray to give Sheilab his permission!!
I know where and when etc but I didnt see the incident. I will leave that for the witnesses.
Ray said: "my so called friend has been good friends for many years but your david says the vote to bann me was unanymous so why did she take that decision rather than abstain from voting as a true friend would have done? "
Everyone at the meeting agreed to ban Ray because of the reasons stated earlier in the thread. i.e. Obstruction of Group projects, acting by himself without any agreement from the Group, constant slagging of the Group and its members on here, shouting abuse in public etc etc
The decision was unanimous. Ray took it upon himself to accost his so-called friend to " never speak to me ever again " if she didnt change her decision. I agree with Sheilab that it was disgusting to put someone in that position.
Then Ray has had the gall to ask her to apologise!!!!!!!!!!!
Ray said: " I e-mailed the Heritage lottery to try and suspend...not stop. the funding until an investigation had been carried out."
Oh that makes it all ok then.
Ray said: "I contacted the Gerard solicitor for the first time in 2006..You didn`t know that did you?"
It seems he was undermining the Group earlier than we thought!
Ray said" I was intending to take them into that garden in a few years time and showing them plaques in memory of their great,great grandad,Frederick Wellington Davies who first came to live here in 1910 with 8 kids and two more wer born in East St..No7....I would then have shown them a plaque of their great grandad who was a war hero in 1914-17 and who won a MM for gallantry and who went on to father 10 children,,all of us born in Stubshaw Cross."
A nice sentiment but it is a community garden built by a community group for the community. Seems someone had his his own personal agenda for it. Everyone has their own story to tell.
Ray said: "And you couldn`t be bothered to mention the name Davies in your little booklet< Stubshaw Cross Heritage Booklet>...Which as yet I have never critized publicly but I will if you want me to"
Ray has publicly criticed the booklet on here, and I asked him to point out the errors and seeing he is threatening to sue me, I hope to use the following quote in court ( or ask Stephen Fry to use it in QI):
Ray said: " David,Most of the errors in the booklet were contained in the things you didn`t say"
Fantastic.
Jamse I think you should meet Ray and apologise. Or are you a coward as well?
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