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	Messageboards  General  Places  People  wiganworld     Interact  Wigan ex-pats  Wigan genealogy     Climate scepticism 'on the rise' Started by: jerry cayzer (1118) The British public has become increasingly sceptical about climate change, a poll for BBC News suggests. How do WW members feel about that? Started: 8th Feb 2010 at 02:02 Posted by: barflag7 (613) I would like to know too. 15 years ago I perceived great support among the British that it was happening and caused by nasty corporations and they should pay and the costs not passed on to the consumer. It seems different now the average person has figured out who will pay and how much. Replied: 8th Feb 2010 at 14:37 Posted by: joseph 1 (9113) I couldn't care less to be honest! Replied: 8th Feb 2010 at 14:40 Posted by: cerridwen (726)   I believe se should recycle, and look after the enviroment, because we want a nice place to live in. Climate change has happened through out the evolution of the planet. First volcanic dust, then Ice ages, then, the ice caps vanished in the time of the Jurasic period. As species die out it makes room for new development. If T Rex hadn't died off, the mammals would not have evolved into more advanced species and finaly us. We will die out one day, unless we spred through the Galaxy, and something else will over take. It's the natural order of things. Watched a program only last week about he eath being enfolded in a giant snowball billions of years ago.... no cars around then. Replied: 8th Feb 2010 at 14:43 Posted by: nicola (2651)  ANy student of geology, geography, climatology (!), history or archaeology is well aware how the earth has changed throughout the millennia, without our help...I suppose we're also to blame for the switching of the magnetic poles too......An excuse for governments to blame individuals and tax them for breathing the polluted air... Replied: 8th Feb 2010 at 14:46 Posted by: jarvo (10983) I love your intelligent posts Jerry...alas, they attract the "no marks" who contribute nothing but drivel on this lovely site...and the less we care about them, the better we all feel... I believe I will see Paradise Earth... Replied: 8th Feb 2010 at 15:07 Posted by: nicola (2651)  Jarvo, like a dog wi' a bone Replied: 8th Feb 2010 at 15:29 Posted by: jamse (1390) I can't see what is got to do with what the the public "think". We wouldn't be asked if we "believe" in other concepts involving complex scientific ideas. It should be left to the scientists. Replied: 8th Feb 2010 at 15:30 Posted by: nicola (2651)  Ah, but then these ideas either eminate from or are interpreted by those scientists that are in the pay of governments, truths may be nudged, fudged or ommitted for a healthy research grant... Replied: 8th Feb 2010 at 15:33 Posted by: aisforandy (717) Everybody is aware that climate change takes place. Where the debate is is that humanity is causing a change that would otherwise have taken a lot longer to take place. The vast majority of scientists agree that we do have an effect and there are ways we can limit the effect by controlling emissions of greenhouse gases that are heating up our climate. Normally at this point you get people who have absolutely no grasp of the larger picture commenting on how cold it was a week ago last friday morning etc as their reason they do not believe the stories they hear of climate change. Me, I don't know - I prefer to trust in the scientists - but I don't think it is government driving it - they seem to be the ones resisting the message from what I have seen. It seems common sense to reduce waste and pollution, and it can only be good to have as little impact on our natural environment as possible. I think over population is going to be a major problem for the future, though. Replied: 8th Feb 2010 at 15:43 Posted by: jamse (1390) It seems to have been politicized with the left "believing" in climate change and the right denying it. It is a matter for the scientists to say if it is happening or not and the politicians as to whether we do anything about it. Replied: 8th Feb 2010 at 15:49 Posted by: joseph 1 (9113) I still couldn't care less. Replied: 8th Feb 2010 at 16:16 Posted by: joseph 1 (9113) Although I have felt warm today. Replied: 8th Feb 2010 at 16:20 Posted by: owd dave (2657)   having kept aquariums in the past i liken them to a small world of there own, a well planted one gives off lots of oxygen and needs no artificial airiation but take the plants away and all the fish are gasping for air in no time,at the rate the forests of the world are being felled could we end up that way,more and more children are suffering with athsma and other breathing problems,its just a thought. Replied: 8th Feb 2010 at 16:23 Posted by: jack tomorrow (135) tax nuff sed Replied: 8th Feb 2010 at 16:34 Posted by: dave© (2250) You're probably right Nicola, but don't forget this lot as well. Environment British Trust for Conservation Volunteers (BTCV)—frugal with the truth when it comes to their own funding Climate Outreach and Information Network (COIN)—milking the climate change cash cow Forum for the Future—state-funded refuge for unelectable eco-mentalists Global Action Plan UK—more windmill worshippers London Sustainability Exchange—climate change, "environmental justice", "communities" etc. Pesticide Action Network—a substantially EU funding charity which lobbies the EU for more pesticide controls. The Climate Group—carbon taxing climate warriors The Royal Society for the Protection of Birds—venerable twitchers reborn as multi-millionaire global warmists. The Women's Environmental Network—generic wimmin's group with added green credentials The Woodland Trust—heavily funded tree-huggers Fake Charities Replied: 8th Feb 2010 at 16:36 Posted by: jarvo (10983) Replied: 8th Feb 2010 at 16:40 Posted by: aisforandy (717) Never heard it put that way before Dave. Here's another way of putting it (contains swearing) George Carlin - The Earth will shake us off like fleas Replied: 8th Feb 2010 at 16:49 Posted by: gaffer (1172)   Jerry HM treasury sees global warming as a means of introducing additional green taxation,supposedly revenue neutral,but in reality extra taxes. It is this as much as anything which has lead to the rise of scepticism. The latest BBC poll published yesterday shows the non believers have increased from 15 to 25% over the last three months. The bodies advising the government are all climate change diehards. Opponents, no matter how well qualified they are, are not given an audience. Replied: 8th Feb 2010 at 17:05 Posted by: barflag7 (613) I used to believe it 'til I noticed the crowd who were promoting it and that made me wonder. It seems that they were the same types (and sometimes the same people) who a generation ago were saying we were running out of oil and the only solution was to turn its managemant over to government. Funny that they said Alberta would run out in 1998 and the rest of the world 10 years later. They were wrong. But it's ironic that if they had been correct we wouldn't have the alledged problem now because there wouldn't be any to burn. Then I was at conference where a sceptic scientist was saying he couldn't get government grants unless he 'discovered' in his research that GW was happening, was harmful and/or was caused by people. So goverments announced the only way to stop it was by making government bigger and life more expensive. And transfer money to other parts of the country and to other countries while they're at it. Now my past experience with politicians is that they are mostly liars and cheats. And the ones I DIDN'T vote for were even worse. Replied: 8th Feb 2010 at 19:34 Posted by: the_gwim_weaper (11959)  Mistake? Replied: 9th Feb 2010 at 08:10 Posted by: nicola (2651)  Dave, you're right, I may be a bit of a cynic but I find it hard to believe in altruistic behaviour, everyone has their own agenda, that's why normally I am just a fence sitter and would rather listen to debates than get involved, my tuppence worth is just that, a mere drop in the ocean (which is at present filled with the flotsam and jetsam of all our shipping!) hahaha Replied: 9th Feb 2010 at 09:22 Posted by: jerry cayzer (1118) Thanks, everyone. Though I'm aware of some contradictory evidence it seems factual that ice caps and glaciers are gradually melting and sea levels rising. So the days are numbered for low lying coastal areas. Whatever the cause, the species needs to do something about it, I believe. Replied: 9th Feb 2010 at 09:39 Posted by: nicola (2651)  Jerry, I already have my eye on a little bothy in the Pennines Nice and high up! Replied: 9th Feb 2010 at 10:24 Posted by: jerry cayzer (1118) A wee butt an' ben, nicola? How would it be if I join you? Replied: 10th Feb 2010 at 00:27 Posted by: nicko (2009)  nicola that bothy may be prime waterfrontland in 20 years Replied: 10th Feb 2010 at 03:47 Posted by: barflag7 (613) Sea levels are rising? More habitat for whales.You'd think Sea Shepard would be happier. Arctic Ocean ice melting and the polar bears are delayed in getting out to hunt seals? Sounds like good news for the seals. PETA should be ecstatic. I am of the firm belief that the cure for cancer will soon be found beneath a retreating glacier. Replied: 10th Feb 2010 at 04:48         Note: You must login to post a reply. If you haven't registered, why not join now?. Registration is FREE!
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